how to paint your kit and have figma-like paint durability

Posted by varutieru 

how do i paint my kit and have figma like paint durability?

i have finished my kit and its ready to paint, but i have no idea what to do to make those paint stick to it

this is the primer i've been using, i dunno what is my mistake, but this primer left me with rough surface, its easily peeled of by detergent water ( 2 hour in it, and it peeled of itself) & make my paint texture feel so rough and having these... dusty feeling to it

what did i do wrong ?
primer is used to make kit "lost" its 1st color, so it will be easier to made the new paint seep onto the kit, and also to make it stickier to the kit
but why did this primer doesn't make my paint stickier and instead it peeled of easily (even mr hobby lacquer paint are more powerful)

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also, any idea how to pull the red color of my kit arm, without using massive amount of red?
the 1st ingredient is to to use flat black -> gundam color red (3), but it turn out to be using PLENTY of red (3) to pull it
the torso ingredient is tamiya spray can dull red -> gundam color red (1) -> tamiya enamel flat red, this chemistry left me with bright flat red, not really what i want
any recipe to pull the 1st color without using red as much?

these all are lacquer, but they peeled of so easily, even if i just rubbing it to feel the texture, did i didn't properly mix both paint & thinner or

i'm planning to use tamiya spray can / mr surfacer for my next experiment, but if i resort to this, it mean the thinner i've been investing to that primer is been wasted and i don't want that T_T, not to mention spray can is expensive too... (tho i can spray it out 1st and spray it with my airbrush after i re-dissolved it)

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    varutieru in indonesia
    2009/10/06 00:57
    Registered on 2008/08/26. student / NEET
     

    noob question, but how do i put multiple image & edit my item?

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      coffeebugg in the bathroom [www]
      2009/10/06 01:06
      Registered on 2008/05/22. coffeellamaVaderbugg
       

      After you save your initial post, Manage photos appears on top of the tool bar.

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        varutieru in indonesia
        2009/10/06 01:43
        Registered on 2008/08/26. student / NEET
         

        how do i edit this page then....
        i can't see the edit/alike button on this page >_<

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          2009/10/06 08:00
          Registered on 2009/09/02. Digital Artist (Illustrator)
           

          go to "your menu" on top of the page, then manage posts..^^

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          coffeebugg in the bathroom [www]
          2009/10/06 17:16
          Registered on 2008/05/22. coffeellamaVaderbugg
           

          Or the "Edit Post" button at the button of the page ^^

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    2009/10/06 01:57
    Registered on 2009/09/13. Blogger and Pro Photographer
     

    wash the kit first with detergent and let it air dry. when its dry, use plastic safe spray can primer. when you spray the primer, move the can side to side so it can be nice even. http://www.imageanime.com/tamfinsurpri.html

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      2009/10/06 02:01
      Registered on 2009/09/13. Blogger and Pro Photographer
       

      when you are done painting do not forget to use topcoat, it is very important.

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        GundamJehutyKai in Foundation II Stellvia [www]
        2009/10/06 04:16
        Registered on 2007/09/12. Service desk support
         

        What he said!! Also, when mixing colours, NEVER use black if you can help it. As you have found out, black overpowers pretty much any colour, resulting in copious amounts of the 2nd colour needed to remove the black look.
        Grey doesn't have that problem tho, but generally, it's much easier to get a dark shade of a colour and lighten it rather than the other way around.

        Also, you will never manage to get super durablility with paints. enough effort will be sufficient to peel it off regardless of what you try to do. Even topcoat won't help. but adding it, as well as keeping the layers of paint thin will make peeling it as difficult as possible.

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        varutieru in indonesia
        2009/10/06 22:16
        Registered on 2008/08/26. student / NEET
         

        so... do those kit we seen in magazines have the same issues of paint durability?
        if it does... man, i'm so not touching my kit once its done

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    heat horn in Indonesia [www]
    2009/10/06 02:28
    Registered on 2008/01/05. keroro platoon member
     

    I have no experience in AB. I apply primer using mr hobby's. The surface is smooth (i use 1200) , no prob so far.

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      varutieru in indonesia
      2009/10/06 22:29
      Registered on 2008/08/26. student / NEET
       

      so that var-flag is fully painted out of spray cans?
      OK, this is giving me dillema
      spray can is expensive and not conservative on its usage >_<

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    ed142 in CA, the valley
    2009/10/06 10:13
    Registered on 2009/02/23. student- university servant
     

    what everyone else said, you cannot achieve "figma" paint quality on gunpla- different materials for starters
    tips
    - before you paint- wash pieces in soapy water to remove the oil
    - practice your AB or spray can skills on scraps
    - you might be putting on too much paint- go for a few light coats...no more
    - you may have to use sandpaper to remove the "dusty" feeling

    if you want to change the pose of the kit constantly- get HCM or robot damashii figures (they are nice)

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      varutieru in indonesia
      2009/10/06 22:22
      Registered on 2008/08/26. student / NEET
       

      not really constant, but 3 or 5 "play" time a year, maybe...
      just asking then... ever see keita works? those paints aren't as durable as figma's paints?

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    Kodama in Ottawa, Canada
    2009/10/06 10:21
    Registered on 2009/03/28. Laptop Tech, New DD Parent
     

    I've used Floquil Primer for metal and plastic figures over the years. The flat light grey primer is a great under coat for most colours, I think they also make a flat white as well.
    I find it doesn't fill detail like some primers, and I used it to great effect years ago painting D&D miniatures.

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    bolt in Tampa Fl. [www]
    2009/10/07 01:51
    Registered on 2007/04/17. security/3d graphic artist
     

    paints, enamels and laquors are useually the best in durability, same stuff thats in spray cans, or could airbrush it (prefered since you can do light coats and not destroy detail)

    as said,
    wash the parts.
    if using primer, use light coats, spray, then wait a minute for it to dry, then spray agian, be patient
    paint,
    gloss + gloss = gloss
    gloss + flat = semi gloss
    flat + flat = flat

    mix and match paint to your liking, test spray a part or scrap to see if you like the sprayed color.

    most smooth surface is gloss or semi gloss, with flat being the roughest.

    detail the model with decals, stickers, touch up paint, detail paint, then apply topcoat, be it a laqour, or best is future floor wax, its acrylic and does a great job. same as primer, multipule coats, take ur time, you can spray to much and have the paint/top coat pool in edges, not a good thing.

    hope this helped!


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